good morning, everyone. thanks for joining me this saturday. i'm fredericka whitfield. let's get into the latest on impeachment inquiry, and there are any. first source rs tell cnn kurt volker is gone, resigning one day after the release of the whistle-blower report. second, cnn is learning about the extraordinary steps the white house has taken to restrict access to phone calls between president trump and russian president vladimir putin and the saudi crown prince mohammed bin salman. we also known the u.s. secretary of state mike pompeo has been subpoenaed by three house committees for failure to produce documents on ukraine and that senate majority leader mitch mcconnell urged the white house to release the rough

transcript of the phone call between president trump and president zelensky to back up the president's claim that there was nothing wrong with the call. chairman of the house intelligence committee adam schiff said more subpoenas are coming even as the rest of congress is on break, and house speaker nancy pelosi says given the mounting evidence, it is full steam ahead. >> this is not a cause for any joy that we have to go down this path. it's a difficult decision to make, but we have that obligation because the actions that were taken could undermine the constitution and the oath we take to protect and defend including the oath that the president takes. >> the president remains defiant this morning tweeting can you imagine if these do-nothing democrat savages, people like

nadler, schiff, aoc, and many more had a republican party who would have done to obama what the do-nothings are doing to me. oh, well. maybe next time. that from the president this morning. cnn's sarah westwood is at the white house. sarah, lots to unpack here. let's talk with the u.s. special envoy to ukraine, kurt volker, abruptly resigning. what are you hearing about that? >> that's right, fred. sources tell cnn that the u.s. envoy to ukraine kurt volker did resign his position last night and he's a key figure in this whole controversy. he's mentioned several times in that whistle-blower complaint as someone who facilitated meetings between top aide to president zell less ski and the personal lawyer. that was to potentially get dirt on joe biden out of official talks. he met with zelensky's aide a

week after the infamous phone call president trump had in july with ukrainian president zelensky. that meeting was said to be a follow slip on the conversation president trump had with zelenszel zelens zelensky. he defended himself on fox news saying that volcker was the one who requested he meet with ukrainians. talk a listen. >> i spoke to volcker eight times. they basically knew everything i was doing, so it was being done with the authorization and at the request, and then i have a final one in which there's a big thank-you about how my honest and straightforward discussion led to solving the problem in the relationship. i think i should get some kind of an award. >> now, the white house earlier this week released the transcript of the conversation between president trump and zelensky, and sources say mitch

mcconnell urged congress to put the krpt out there as scrutiny about the president's conversation with the ukrainian leader was building this week, but they're seeking more documents about the call and the president's decision to suspend aid to ukraine. they also want to hear from volcker. they're looking to get a deposition from voerk and other state department officials by october 10th, fred. >> all right, sarah. and rudy giuliani saying he'll not testify before congress without the president's approval. any word on the white house on whether or not they do plan on letting him talk? >> that's right, fred. rudy giuliani saying he wants to talk with his client before testifying and if president trump didn't want him appearing before lawmakers, his lawyer said he wouldn't do it. but keep in mind last week president trump was asked whether rudy giuliani would be permitted to testify. he told reporters he had no problem with it, that giuliani

is a straight shooter, so president trump already seemed to indicate he might be okay if rudy giuliani were to testify and democrats certainly want to hear from him. >> and he's a private citizen. he's not a government employee or working in the white house. it's questionable what protections the president of the united states can actually impose upon him. sarah westwood, thank you so much. meanwhile three powerful house committees have subpoenaed the secretary of state mike pompeo fro deuce documents to the president of ukraine's phone call by next week, this as giuliani insists he took his cue from the state department. >> in fact, i'm a legitimate whistle-blower. i have uncovered corruption that this washington swamp has been covering up effectively for years, and his state department, you know, asked me to do this. so, mike, if you're unhappy with me, i'm sorry, but i accomplished my mission. >> all right. joining me now to discuss this

is kylie atwood, a cnn national security reporter, kevin listen tack, a cnn producer and also a cnn political commentator. good to see all of you. kylie, you first. secretary pompeo has missed two deadlines. his third and final chance to turn over documents is this friday. any plans he will cooperate or might he be stonewalling? >> well, the state department hasn't even responded to our questions about this subpoena. if they will be complying, if they won't. that's not really all that surprising because they haven't replied to any questions, requests for documents over the last few weeks from this committee on the hill. but it is important to note that they have -- this administration has ignored subpoenas in the past. but here it's a little bit more impactful if they do because it would then amount to evidence of

obstruction of justice -- i'm sorry. it would amount to evidence -- it would go toward the house impeachment inquiry, right? that would be evidence they're trying to not work with congress, this administration, and it could make things even worse for them. so we're still waiting to hear from the state department here. >> david, in the middle of all this is the president's personal attorney rudy giuliani. he's a central figure in the whistle-blower complaint throughout and he says his outreach -- giuliani said his outreach to ukraine was actually on behalf of the state department, tweeting out, in fact, text messages that he claimed are from the ukrainian envoy who has since, you know, resigned. so, david, what are the implications to the president's personal attorney essentially blaming the president's administration as the directive, as billion really the source of the direction?

>> good morning, fred. yeah. so mayor giuliani has a plausible explanation but it's not one that helps his case. he's saying, look, i was asked by volcker to participate with this ukrainian official. he himself has no official capacity. mayor giuliani is not part of the government. he ee's president trump's perso lawyer, some would say his personal bag man and he knew he was doing this outside the con fins of the formal federal government diplomatic process. >> and, kevin, he told two russian officials he was not concerned at all about the

interfurns inte interference in the 2016 election because they had done the same to other countries. he stood right beside putin in helsinki. just to refresh everyone's memories, tack a listen. >> all i can do is ask the question. my people came to me. dan coats came to me, some others, and said i think it's russia. i have president putin say it's not russia. i'll say this. i don't o have any reason why it would be. >> kevin, there must be mounting pressure for a release of any transcripts of conversations that we now understand were kind of in a secret database, conversations between president trump and vladimir putin and that of the crown prince of saudi arabia. how will those transcripts -- would they be produced in. >> in the case of putin, it certainly raises the stakes of

democrats who have long tried to get ahold of conversations with the russian counterpart. at this point it doesn't seem like the extreme release will be done. you remember the president has met one on one with putin many times. he met with him one on one in helsinki. that was before that clip you just played. >> there was a time, right, where reportedly he asked the person who was taking notes -- i think it was the interpreter -- >> yeah. >> -- to dispose of any notes. >> that was after his first encounter at the summit in hamburg. the reporter supposedly asked for the notes back from the interpreter so they presumably wouldn't be leak and distributed. so as we look at what the democrats will want from the white house in terms of conversation with putin, there is a question what records will

exist of those conversations, fredericka. >> the democrats are moving fast. you know, house speaker nancy pelosi spoke last night on why she believes impeachment moving in the direction at the very least is moving in the right direction. >> so this is not a cause for any joy that we have to go down this path. it's a difficult decision to make. but we have that obligation. >> so then, david, is it possible that this impeachment inquiry would not be divisive? >> i think any way you slice it is going to be divisive. this is something set in the constitution by the founders but is necessarily a political process. you don't want to go forward with impeachment just on a party line basis, but i think democrats at this point have figured out they're probably going to have to go forward at least on a party line basis

because there are no republicans currently saying they're in favor -- there is one republican, i think, in the house saying he's in favor of an investigation but not in favor of an impeachment necessarily. the speaker has some level of credibility because she was putting the brakes on impeachment at an earlier stage. she doesn't look like someone rushing to it, but i do believe it's going to be highly likely. >> all right. thank you so money to all of you. david, kevin, kylie, appreciate it. impeachment hearings are set to begin next week, but do democrats have a plan in case the white house stonewalls? i'll talk with democratic tactics, with member -- or i'm talk about the democratic tactics with a member taking a lead on the impeachment inquiry.

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schiff tells cnn his committee expects a hearing as soon as next week, this as the rest of congress is on break. in addition, sources say the panel will hold another closed door briefing with intel community inspector general michael atkinson next friday. e i'm joined now by a member of the house judiciary committee, california democratic congressman ted lieu. good to see you, congressman. so impeachment -- can you hear me okay? >> yes, fredericka. >> okay, goody. impeachment has been discussed on and off over the past couple of years and this week was very sig canal because you've got the house speaker who has said there have been violations of law and violations of the constitution on the heels of that whistle-blower complaint. why in your view was this the breaking point? >> okay. thank you, fredericka, for your question. let me make clear impeachment is one of the gravest powers of

congress, second only to our power to declare war. it should never be our first option and should always be our last option. were going to follow the facts where they lead us. the facts that have come out are very damning to the president. it shows donald trump got a foreign leader to investigate. i'm a former prosecutor. this to me looks like a shakedown on a ukrainian leader to help president trump's campaign. >> for you was it president trump saying it was a perfect call and i'm willing to release the transcript? essentially it was an admission that kind of conversation took place, however, once the transcript took place, the president said there's no quid pro quo here, it's just a conversation. >> it was absolutely not a perfect call. we know that because the white house tried to lock down this transcript and cover it up. they didn't want very many

people to see it. and if you read the transcript, it's actually a rough transcript, we don't know what the actual complete conversation was. we only had the summarized notes. >> quickly now because it's senate majority leader mitch mcconnell we're learned at the urging of mcconnell a portion of these trmts were released. what's your view? what's your reaction to the involvement of mitch mccobble reportedly here? >> the reason this is different, it's not a partisan issue. it's an american issue. no american president shoulder be soliciting a foreign power to target citizens for political purposes. when you look at the rough transcript, literally after he raises the issue of military aid, donald trump asked for two military favors, one of which is to go after joe biden. >> you serve on the foreign affairs committee, one of three

to go after mike pompeo. what do you want to know from him? >> we need to know the involvement of not just secretary pompeo but what he knew that donald trump knew about the entire campaign. when you look at the entire whistle-blower complaint and context, this was not a random conversation trump had. this was a months' long campaign to get the ukrainian government go investigate joe biden. and so we want to know who else knew about it, how much pressure was put on the leader, and why was aid cut off. >> the personal attorney of the president rudy giuliani said he actually received directives from the state department. when and if pompeo is to testify, how much do you believe he'll elaborate on what kind of guidance, instruction, directives he may have given the

personal attorney of the president? >> right. for the sake of our country, i hope there's an innocent explanation for all of this in which the trump administration will have all the truth come out and not obstruct anything. however, if they obstruct or prevent pompeo from producing documents, then the american people will certainly know the trump administration is trying to hide information from congress. that means there are very nefarious reasons for your why donald trump did what he did. >> quickly, the whistle-blower through the attorneys representing the whistle-blower has expressed a willingness to testify given certain protections on the person's identity. do you see that testimony from this whistle-blower is going to happen and if so when? >> i hope that congress hears from this whistle-blower, that that person show tremendous courage. congress passed a whistle-blower

protection statute to allow people who are patriotic, who want to put country first, to show that high-level officials including the president may be betraying our nation. i encourage any others to do the same thing. >> then now this "new york times" reporting, president trump meeting with the nra chief wayne lapierre meeting at the white house to discuss how the nra could support trump through any potential impeachment process and his re-election. upon learning that, you tweeted this. learning that potus and nra discussed gun legislation show thad trump will use official action to benefit himself. so what can you do with this kind of information? what are you implying is a trend from this president? >> the focus right now is

singularly going to be on this ukrainian scandal because it shows the president betraying his interest and doing that. what it shows is a behavior where you've got donald trump taking action on official bills such as guns and either not signing them or saying he's not going to support them. in the same conversation he's having about having support from the nra for his impeachment defense, you conditional do that. you can't mix these two things together in the same conversation. depending on exactly what was said and how it was said, it could either be massively inappropriate or be a straight-up bribe, which would be a felony. >> and then according to the npr, a new senate report reveals they acted as an asset for russia and that included underwritten political access

for russian nationals including russian agent maria butina and they wrote how they were close lid involved with organizing a 2015 visit of some of its leaders to moscow. what's your reaction to this? >> it appears the nra knew they may have been dealing with agents of a foreign policy. they knew they spent massive ams of money helping to elect donald trump. and we're looking to see if any russian persons may have given money to the nra. there's a lot of folks looking at this issue, and we'll see what the evidence of this that comes out shows. >> congressman ted lieu, thanky so much. >> thank you. ahead, attorney general bill barr under scrutiny. house speaker nancy pelosi says he has gone rogue. is the attorney general providing cover for the president?

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welcome back. u.s. attorney general william barr and the u.s. justice department are caught up in the middle of the whistle-blower allegations against president trump and house speaker nancy pelosi is questioning whether barr is fit for the job. >> i do thing the attorney general has gone rogue, he has for a long time now, and since he was mentioned in all of this, it's curious that he would be making decisions about how the complaint would be handled. >> michael zeldin is with us. he's a former prosecutor and cnn legal analyst. good to see you. >> good morning. >> considering barr was part of this whistle-blower complaint, should barr have recused himself immediately from the department of justice investigation, and if so, is it too late in which to do so? >> so barr was named in the whistle-blower complaint. barr said thereafter this is news to him. so it's not clear to me that he was really involved in the

matter in the same way, say, giuliani was involved in the matter. so i'm not sure that that rises to a level of the grounds to recuse himself, and after all, when it was referred to the justice department, it was referred to the house of legal counsel who worked under barr, but they made an independent determines whether there was a campaign violation. barr may not be my favorite person, though i liked him when i worked for him, i dodge think this rises to the basis for him to recuse himself or that he's gone rogue. >> so does he have any, you know, legal kulpaability here? >> i don't see it, fred. it seems to me barr since he's taken office has been fairly consist tnl in his view that the executive office of the president has brown powers, much more so than the legislative branch and his decision has been

consistent with his belief this he's long held. >> as you heard moments ago house speaker nancy pelosi says he's gone rogue. his critics say he's acting more than the president's personal attorney. at this point why would barr choose to be this kind of u.s. attorney general? i mean he's been in this spot before, but he's handling it differently. >> well, i think he's handling it differentially with his powers with the executive branch. the one thing i took issue with and i wrote a cnn piece on it, his summary of the mueller report, his final conclusions letter, i thought was a misrepresentation of what was in the mueller report, and i thought that with us the most egregious thing since then. otherwise i think he's acting

with those beliefs. many of us don't like it, but those are his beliefs. >> president trump's personal toernl rudy giuliani said he won't testify before congress without first consulting his client, the president of the united states. can he expert executive privilege here or can the president expert it on his behalf? >> the president, he's private counsel so the president can assert attorney/client privilege. the president can say these are what i don't authorize you to testify to, and i think he prevails in that respect as long as there is a proper attorney/client relationship between the president and attorney rudy giuliani, something i don't know if it exists and the communication falls within the concept, but we don't know because giuliani is

acting as a lawyer, as a politician, as a businessman. it's going to have to be parsed what is an attorney/client privilege and what isn't. >> that's my followup question. he received letters from the u.s. state department and i wondered if that would further complicate the whole attorney/client relationship. >> that's right. if he has somehow breached the attorney/client privilege or someone has allowed him to do that once it's breached its breach and can't unbrief. it will be taken up on a topic-by-topic basis if it is, in fact, asserted. >> it wasn't just ukraine. we learn that the white house limited access the president

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mohammed bin salman, they never saw a transcript according to one of the sources. instead a transcript was never circulated at all which a source said was highly unparticular. it came as the white house was confronted the murder of the murder of jamal khashoggi that came at the hands of the saudi government. at least one of his conversations was tightly restricted according to an official. it's not clear if the aides took additional steps in placing the saudi and russia phone calls in the same secure situation which helped spark the whistle-blower complaint made public this week though officials did confirm calls aside from the admin extra were placed there and didn't quite reach the threshold.

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. new developments in our reporting on how far the white house has gone to keep the president's phone conversations with russia's putin and saudi officials secret. a white house official and sources familiar with the calls tells cn no transcripts were made of trump's conversations with the saudi king and the crown prince. sources say it was done to prevent leaks and very unusual. also the source says the only people in the room were secretary of state pompeo an

then national security adviser john bolton. kylie atwood and kevin liptak are back with me now. kylie -- or, kevin, let me begin with you. moments ago senate minority leader chuck schumer released a statement on president trump and the russian interference conversation saying this. if true, the reports that president trump may have told close associates of putin that he didn't mind russian interference in the u.s. elections are extremely harmful to both of national security and the integrity of our elections. it's one of the most disturbing things we have learned yet. so, kevin, what may come o this now, and might it be that adding to the list of subpoenas, even though it's a little different than the whistle report -- whistle-blower complaint, might john bolton see himself

subpoenaed? >> well, it's certainly possible. he was, you know, present for a lot of this. he only left the white house a few weeks ago. so he was in his role as national security adviser when all of this was happening. i think what's interesting about the putin call and as we reported earlier the calls with the saudi royal family is these are leaders who have carried out very controversial conversations with the president. they're both autocrats and accused of cozying up. they're not the only autocrats that the president speaks with. there are all kinds of people in the world he speaks with. with unof the reasons people are so concerned about the practice of storing away these conversations of these calls on private servers is many don't contain the intelligence or military secrets that would require that storage. >> right. and if they were nebulous -- you know, perfect calls that the president declared was his call

with the ukrainian president, if they were so perfect, why would they need to be squirreled away in a secret database for very few eyes to ever see it? >> yeah. that's the big question. what officials have told us is that the president and his senior advisers were worried that some of the sensitive things that he was saying, things that didn't necessarily seem all that presidential would get leaked out and become embarrassing for him. that's what we saw happen with calls of the leader of australia and mexico very early on, the president carrying on these conversations that didn't seem very presidential, and the president was worried about that happening again and so it's not necessarily classified secrets that are being stored away in that server. ite whaes the president is saying they don't want leaked out. >> kylie, isn't it the case that usually there are several senior officials listening to calls between a pr and world leaders

and in this case and -- or at least reported will i think this case it's bolton, former nsa or secretary part-time yeo who would be prison or listening in on the call? >> yeah. traditionally there are folks at the white house listening in on the call, taking very detailed noted to come up with what is a rough or almost near exact transcript of the call and that is shared with the folks who need to know what happened on the call. that's important for the policy-making decisions and the way that the policy heads because if the president has conversations that impact what folks are doing at the state department or the pentagon, they need to know about it. so generally speaking it is circulated. what is important here as kevin was noting, it's not just as if the lockdown is happening because covert classified information was being discussed. what it appears to be at least in the case of the ukrainian

call is it was a politically sensitive phone call for the president. he was pressuring president zelensky to investigate joe biden, so there is some political ramifications there, not national security ramifications there. but i also think it's important to note as you've noted, i mean national security adviser john bolton left the white house just weeks ago, and so he has not been talking to the press very much, but there are a lot of questions he needs to answer now. >> kylie, you say political, not necessarily political ramifications, however, in that complaint, you know, the whistle-blower, the author of that complaint says i was also concerned that these actions imposed risks to u.s. national security and undermine the u.s. government's evidences to deter and counter foreign interference in u.s. elections. so at least according to that

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the american people who are counting on us, congress, to do our constitutional duty. >> cnn political reporter is following warren. senator warren will hold a townhall later on. what will her focus be. >> it is a crucial, crucial state down here, looming is this issue of impeachment. elizabeth warren, you describe her as a front runner and she very much is. she was out early calling for impeachment. she spoke to our own reporter about this. >> as we know is if congress does not hold this man accountable he will break the law again and again and again. it is time for impeachment now.

>> and that was in new hampshire. we'll see what she says today. i talked to some voters here, you can see them gathering behind me and they agreed with senator warren. now is the time to impeach president trump to send the message that the kind of behavior in that phone call is unacceptable. other voters feel like it is too little too late. others feel like this should be settled at the ballot box. and one reporter said it was like soggy cereal. we'll see what warren has to say today. some want democrats to focus on issues rather than impeachment, but this is a candidate with a surge, momentum in south carolina. we'll see what she says today. in a couple hours here she will begin. some have driven from far away to see her and they're lining up now. >> and so as they line up, are

any of these supporters saying it is because she has a great focus on issues? as to why they see according to so many polls that she and biden are now in a neck and neck race? >> i think that is right, she is a candidate with a plan. one of the voters that i talked to said that very thing. she said she understands people and issues and she has plans from anything from health care to education to childcare. that is one of the reasons she is doing so well. you see voters lining up already. there will be a pretty big crowd here at an hbcu at an african-american community, we'll see if she is able to draw on african-americans, they're so crucial going forward in this state. >> all right, we will be right back. and disappear. this is what you prepared for.

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